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You & Five-O's podcast is hosted by BJ Council (Owner/Founder of You & Five-O), Harmony Chavis, and Drew Council. With this podcast, we aim to discuss current events surrounding the Black Lives Matter movement, community policing, and mental health, while continuing to connect back to You & Five-O's mission to educate people on how to have safe and lawful interactions with law enforcement.
Episodes
Monday Oct 28, 2024
Monday Oct 28, 2024
Monday Oct 14, 2024
Monday Oct 14, 2024
Wednesday Dec 13, 2023
Episode 53: The Future of Policing with Guest Chief Jason Armstrong
Wednesday Dec 13, 2023
Wednesday Dec 13, 2023
Wednesday Dec 06, 2023
Episode 52: Speaking Our Truths with Guests Alicia R. Johnson and Crystal Graves
Wednesday Dec 06, 2023
Wednesday Dec 06, 2023
For this episode, we are joined by two women living in Durham public housing - Alicia R. Johnson and Crystal Graves - who are passionate about their communities and want to inspire them to do better. This initial podcast allows us to introduce them and their stories to you - where they came from and their journey to where they are now. We also touch on the issues they’ve faced, what it’s like living in public housing, the impact and stigma around it, what can be improved, and more. Stay tuned for more from this inspiring segment!
More about our guests:
Alicia R. Johnson
Crystal Graves
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
Episode 51: Going Beyond the Data with Guest Bob Scales
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
Thursday Oct 19, 2023
We’re back! With the latest in our new segment “Your Questions, Your Power” - where we help community members understand the importance of asking the right questions of their elected officials and local law enforcement, and how data can be beneficial for creating change. Today we are excited to be joined by Bob Scales - co-founder and CEO of Police Strategies LLC.
After getting reacquainted with each host, we hear from Bob about his background and experience, journey to where he is now, and an explanation of his company’s police force analysis system. Numbers don’t tell you everything you need to know about each police interaction or situation, so their system goes beyond the data to truly understand what’s going on, why there are disparities, and what that means for the police agency and community (and what can be done about it).
We discuss how police are their own worst enemy when it comes to data and transparency, how the media portrays the data about policing, Bob’s experience with police reform and the DOJ/politics involved, his opinion on consent decrees, and the research paper he recently released on use of force. As always with this segment, we also go into detail on what questions to ask to understand the data you’re receiving, the questions you’re allowed to ask your police agency to get more data, and how to best utilize that as a community member.
More about Bob Scales:
Bob Scales is a founding partner of Police Strategies LLC where he currently serves as the Chief Executive Officer. Previously, Scales served as a Deputy Prosecuting Attorney in King County Washington, a Special Assistant United States Attorney for the Western District of Washington, the Assistant Director for Public Safety for the City of Seattle, the Director of the Government Affairs for the Seattle City Attorney, and the Compliance Coordinator for the Seattle Police Department. Scales represented Seattle during the USDOJ pattern or practice investigation of Seattle PD in 2011 and helped to negotiate the subsequent consent decree. Scales was elected to two terms on the Bainbridge Island, WA City Council and served one year as Mayor.
Wednesday May 10, 2023
Wednesday May 10, 2023
Episode 50: Your Questions, Your Power with Guests Finesse Moreno-Rivera & Kelly Childress
Today we are launching our new segment: “Your Questions, Your Power” with Finesse and Kelly! This segment highlights the importance of data, especially as it relates to policing - we want to help the community understand what to look for, how to ask for data, and how to interpret it. You have the right to do so! After Finesse and Kelly introduce themselves again, they dive into discussing what they each want to accomplish with this new segment… primarily making data transparent and accessible, and how to practically apply that to your local organizations to help create change.
They also discuss the importance of Black people voting - the history of it and where we are today, especially regarding the changes happening in Mississippi that are causing voter suppression. Kelly brings up the need to look at the root cause of crime, otherwise policing isn’t as effective, and they all suggest solutions for how to fix that - for police, community members, and local organizations. They end by discussing policing, the number one resistance to police officers, and understanding how to safely get through interactions with law enforcement. Finesse shares her personal experiences with police, and they highlight the importance of learning how to safely get through police stops in drivers ed.
Wednesday Apr 05, 2023
Wednesday Apr 05, 2023
Episode 49: Law Enforcement Accountability, Starts with a Complaint with Guest Chief Henry King
Welcome back to the You & Five-O podcast, where we have Chief Henry King of the Edenton Police Department joining us. We have had a long-time relationship with King, and recently worked with him to release our new short film #Huemans: A Guide to Get Home - a free resource available on youandfive-o.com and our YouTube page to provide Black and Brown communities with information on how to safely interact with law enforcement.
After telling us about his background and early experiences with police, King and BJ talk about how Black and Brown people who are active in the community don't desire to be police, but those kinds of individuals are needed in the police force to help bridge the gap between the community and law enforcement. King says police are public figures, but believes that in order to get respect, you have to give respect.
King talks about the struggles of small police departments and how they don’t have the tools needed to handle certain assignments, such as homeless shelters or housing for assaulted women. He also talks about how voting and police reform go hand-in-hand.
King aims to provide opportunities to anyone who wants to work in law enforcement and is willing to obtain the necessary education, training, and certifications - regardless of race. He wants to create a diverse pool of candidates who can replace him as the chief of police in the future. He also explains how to file complaints about officer’s behavior, and what the process is like at his department.
More about Chief Henry King
Chief Henry King Jr started his employment at the Rocky Mount Police Department in December 2000 as a patrol officer. Serving in this capacity, he worked as a uniform patrol officer, answering calls for service, serving warrants, and traffic control. He also worked as a bicycle officer. Henry was transferred to the Administrative Services Division in 2003 as a School Resource Officer (SRO) and was assigned to Edwards Middle School. In July 2005, Henry was promoted to the rank of Corporal. In July 2006, he was promoted to Sergeant assigned to the Uniformed Operations Division. In February 2010, Henry was transferred to the Professional Standards Division. In August 2013, he was promoted to Lieutenant. In August of 2017, he was promoted to Captain and assigned to the Criminal Investigation Division. On May 7, 2018, he was named Chief of Police for the Town of Edenton. Chief Henry King Jr is also assigned to the North Carolina Secretary State Task Force and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Task Force.
Chief Henry King is a native of Durham, NC. He has served in the military (United States Marine Corps) and is a graduate of North Carolina Central University. He is also a graduate of the North Carolina State University, Administrative Officers Management Program, Police Executive Research Forum Senior Management Institute for Police and the FBI National Academy Session 283. Chief King serves as an Executive Board member on the North Carolina Internal Affairs Investigation Association. He also serves as a Commissioner for the North Carolina Sentencing Commission and the North Carolina Locksmith Licensing Board. Henry also serves as an Executive Board member for the North Carolina Association of Chiefs of Police. He is a Life Member of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity.
Friday Mar 17, 2023
Friday Mar 17, 2023
On our newest podcast episode, we welcome two officers from the police department in Kinston, NC: Rob Mewborn and Di’Nesha Rouse. You & Five-O has partnered with the Kinston PD for many years - they have a predominantly African American population, with a mostly white police department - because of their desire to improve community-police relations by spreading awareness and educating the community on how to safely interact with law enforcement.
After introducing themselves, Officers Mewborn and Rouse discuss the challenges of pursuing a career in law enforcement in the Black community. They talk about how there weren’t any Black role models as police officers when they were younger, and how the Black community tends to prioritize sports as a career over other paths. They also discuss how the opinions and attitudes of their family, friends, and community vilify becoming a police officer, and ideas they have for how to change that.
BJ highlights the importance of hiring from the local level - both Rouse and Mewborn were born and raised in Kinston - and the difference it makes as an officer when you’re connected with your community. Mewborn and Rouse also share their experiences as school resource officers - what they see on the ground level, working with youth, and the daily struggles they encounter. They approach their work with a mindset of being the change they want to see and actively explore ways to help young people succeed and stay out of trouble.
More about Di’Nesha Rouse:
Di’Nesha Rouse was hired by the Kinston Police Department in 2019. Prior to her service in Kinston, she attended college at Winston Salem State University, majoring in Criminal Justice. Officer Rouse started her career in law enforcement on the patrol division. Due to Officer Rouse’s involvement in and with the community, she has received awards ranging from Officer of the Month to Life Saving awards. Officer Rouse has furthered her knowledge by attending the Gang Resistance Education and Training program, located in Forsyth Georgia, in an effort to combat delinquency, youth violence, and gang membership for children/teens. Officer Rouse transitioned from patrol to working as the school resource officer for Rochelle Middle School in January 2023.
More about Rob Mewborn:
Officer Rob Mewborn is a lifetime resident of Kinston, NC - born in east Kinston and educated in the public school system. Officer Mewborn has served the citizens of Kinston for over 18 years, in many different capacities throughout the city. He started his career with the City of Kinston in 2004 and later transferred to the Police Division in 2010. After serving for a short while as a police officer, he returned to environmental services and worked for seven more years. In 2017 Officer Mewborn was asked by the former Chief of Police Alonzo Jaynes if he would be interested in returning to the Police Division and serving as Kinston High’s School Resource Officer, which he readily accepted. With over 15 years of experience dealing with young people, Officer Mewborn has managed to usher in a new wave of experience and make lasting relationships with the young students at KHS, as well as the community in which he serves. Officer Mewborn is a true example of community policing, and enjoys serving the students and citizens of Kinston NC.
Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
BJ, Kelly, and Finesse discuss the amount of people leaving the police force, the next generation of law enforcement that will provide the change communities want to see in the system, and moving past the “tough on crime” rhetoric to focus on serving people. They also share their thoughts on how the media impacts the way people view crime/police - there’s always more to the story and data than is shared in the media’s short sound-bites.
Finesse and Kelly also emphasize the importance of making data more accessible to the community so they can easily view and understand it, which helps them make informed decisions and push for change. They end the show by discussing a variety of topics, from the importance of education and getting out of the school-to-prison pipeline, to the push-back they get on their work regarding policing, to what we can do to change the community’s perspective on policing, and what makes citizens noncompliant.
Read Finesse’s USA Today article
More about Finesse Moreno-Rivera:
Finesse received a B.A. in Psychology from the University of Kentucky and a M.A. in Forensic Psychology from Roger Williams University. Throughout graduate school and post academia, Finesse has worked at the state and federal level conducting research, criminal investigations and serving the forensic population through various phases of criminal proceedings such as supervision, court room representation and assisting prisoners with reentry programs. Her previous work has focused on data analysis examining opioid replacement programs, criminal profiling, sentencing guidelines, data transparency efforts for law enforcement entities and legislation analysis.
More about Kelly Childress:
Kelly Childress received her Master’s of Sociology with a concentration in criminology from The University of North Carolina at Greensboro (UNCG). While at UNCG, she worked on numerous projects examining topics such as the prison-to-school pipeline, racial bias policing, and reentry programming for formerly incarcerated women.
Her graduate thesis, “Life Histories of Formerly Incarcerated Black Women” examined the lives of six formerly incarcerated women to identify familial and personal relationships, trauma, and other experiences linked to incarceration for women. It became apparent that lack of access to resources and trauma created pathways into the criminal justice system for Black women.
In addition, she has worked in the school system and social services. Currently, she is working as a program coordinator for the homeless. Kelly is passionate about advocating for trauma-informed policing and criminal justice reform. She also has a passion for data. Through her work with You and Five-O, she has helped to provide insight into systemic issues with the criminal justice system and the effects of generational trauma within Black and Brown communities as it pertains to the criminal justice system.
Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Episode 46: “All you’ve seen is not ALL there is” with Guest Margaret Cowan
Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
BJ and Margaret talk about single Black & Brown mothers during this moment, specifically when navigating interactions with police and figuring out how to keep their kids safe from gun violence and out of the judicial system. They share their personal experiences with the police and how treating each other with respect can improve the situation and emotions on both sides of the interaction.
Margaret tells us more about the expectations of the participants in her organization and how she holds them accountable to show up, be responsible, and do the internal work. Not everyone is ready - some just want the tangible, free stuff - so they have guidelines to manage that, especially for those receiving financial support. She also shares her “why” for doing this work, what motivates her to keep going, and a success story from women she’s worked with in her organization.