Episode 36: “The Power of Pause” with Guests La-toya McNair & Durham Crisis Response Center Staff

Episode 36: “The Power of Pause” with Guests La-toya McNair & Durham Crisis Response Center Staff

October 20, 2021
Episode 36: “The Power of Pause” with Guests La-toya McNair & Durham Crisis Response Center Staff

October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. This is an important issue to You & Five-O, so to recognize that, we’ve invited La-toya McNair - Shelter Services Manager for Durham Crisis Response Center - and her team to our show this week. We start by hearing from La-toya, who explains the work they do at the shelter, who they help, and the services they offer. She talks about her own personal experience with domestic abuse; how that inspired her to do this work; and how this work helped her heal from those traumas. She debunks some of the myths regarding domestic violence, including thoughts like “why don’t you just leave” and “men don’t get abused”. She explains why victims stay with their abusers, why families stop supporting people that are abused, and details the services their shelter offers for men. Her DCRC team jumps in to help discuss other services the shelter provides, including counseling, their crisis line, education about domestic violence (and learning the power of pause in a stressful situation), human trafficking services, navigating the court system, and allowing pets into their shelter so they aren't left with the abuser. The shelter’s main goal is education and awareness - educating the public about domestic violence and increasing awareness of the shelter’s presence in Durham and the services they offer.

Crisis Line Number: 919-403-6562
Spanish Crisis Line Number: 919-519-3735
Domestic Violence Awareness Month Events: View DCRC Calendar
If you want to donate something other than money to the shelter, they need: paper towels, toilet tissue, lysol wipes, soap (men and women), deodorant (men and women), Swiffer mop, tooth paste, tooth brush, air fresheners, scented candles, plug ins
*You can also volunteer your time at the shelter*

More about La-toya McNair:
La-toya McNair is the Manager of Shelter Services for the Durham Crisis Response Center (DCRC). She oversees day-to-day operations of all staff and shelter services, which include Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault, Human Trafficking, Rape Prevention and Education, LGBTQ, and Counseling. They also have a Thrift Store, where shelter clients can shop for free, and all profits go toward DCRC operations.

Prior to becoming the Shelter Manager, La-toya was the Senior Case Manager - she has been with DCRC for over 15 years. After experiencing molestation multiple times as a child, and watching her mom be abused by multiple men, La-toya vowed to be a help to kids that can't help themselves. She had no idea safe havens like DCRC existed until she stumbled across the job by accident. La-toya aims to ensure that every client knows they are loved and how to love themselves. She says most clients come in broken and are used to depending on their partners, so the shelter teaches them how to make their own choices. As a survivor of abuse, La-toya feels it is easy to work with this population because she can relate on many levels. Her clients are very comfortable with her because she can meet them where they are.

La-toya has many certifications through the State of NC, including Advocacy, Mental Health, First Aid, Address Confidentiality, Leading Support Groups for Victims, Crisis Intervention, Crisis Line, Hospital Response Team, Rape Prevention and Education, Food Administration, Protection Orders, Drug Education, Gangs Intervention, and more.

Episode 35: We R Allies with Guests Jesse Burwell & Terrence Sembly

Episode 35: We R Allies with Guests Jesse Burwell & Terrence Sembly

October 6, 2021
Episode 35: We R Allies with Guests Jesse Burwell & Terrence Sembly
We’re back with another episode of our We R Allies series, with guests Terrence Sembly and Jesse Burwell. They join us to discuss their lived experience as Black police employees through the lens of community policing at the Durham Police Department. They explain the challenge that comes with trying to get community members involved - especially to attend meetings on a regular basis. In order to improve the “community” part of community policing, ALL people need to be at the table with an open mind. There are many ways community members can get involved! Attend Partners Against Crime (PAC) meetings, participate in the police department’s budget process, join the Citizen’s Police Academy, and attend any community events sponsored by your local police department. And, of course, you need to vote! If you want changes to happen, you have to participate in the *process* of making those changes. Our guests and hosts share a lot of ideas for how to improve community policing, and end by discussing ways to better recruit for the police department so their employees reflect the current times and communities they’re in. There’s a lot of work to do on both sides of the issue, but we encourage everyone to get involved in their community!
Durham PD Community Programs & PAC: Community Services Division | Durham, NC (
Episode 34: “Make Our Enemy into our Asset” with Guest Tyrone Baker

Episode 34: “Make Our Enemy into our Asset” with Guest Tyrone Baker

September 22, 2021
Episode 34: “Make Our Enemy into our Asset” with Guest Tyrone Baker

We are excited and humbled to have Tyrone Baker join us on the show this week to discuss his lived experience as a justice-served individual. After telling us his story, including how he ended up incarcerated, he gives us his unique perspective on how to help people that might be headed down the path to incarceration. He stresses the importance of empowering the Black community to strive for economic self-sufficiency, which reduces the need to do illegal things to survive. Drew joins in to discuss the positives and negatives of being a Black man in America, and Tyrone continues on to explain how he aims to be a role model in the community, especially for justice-served individuals, showing how they can achieve their goals, despite their past. Tyrone also tells us about his book, based on the incarcerated experience, that critiques the work of other experts in the field. He explains how he wrote it while incarcerated and his unique way of marketing it. We end with BJ and Tyrone discussing how to get the police out of Black people’s homes - the need for them to learn how to solve issues on their own - and Tyrone’s view of how law enforcement can be used as a tool to benefit the Black community - "making our enemy into our asset" - through recruiting locally for the police department.

North Carolina Center on Actual Innocence: North Carolina Center on Actual Innocence (
NCCAI Fundraiser: October 7th at City Barbeque Durham (208 West N Carolina 54)
If ordering online, use code FundA to donate to NCCAI; if ordering in-person, mention the fundraiser!
More about Tyrone Baker:
Tyrone Baker was born and raised in Durham. He graduated from Riverside High School in 2005 just before making a series of life-altering decisions as a teenager that resulted in a murder charge and a 22 year prison sentence. However, he dedicated himself to personal betterment during that dark season of his life. Baker has read over 600 nonfiction books, he has administered business classes to incarcerated individuals, he has worked with other community-centric nonprofit groups on issues ranging from voter security to climate change awareness, he’s active on the motivational speaker circuit, he has acquired skills in various trades, and he’s also a published author and essayist. His book, A Convict’s Perspective: Critiquing Penology and Inmate Rehabilitation, has been used to educate students in collegiate level criminal justice and criminology classes at universities across the state. Baker is passionate about dismantling the carceral state by increasing the variety of economic opportunities that are available to disenfranchised people in the Triangle. When he isn’t spreading the message that economic empowerment is a potent weapon against mass imprisonment, Baker enjoys traveling, motorsports, and spending time with his family.
Episode 33: Boss Locks with Guest Walter Gainer II

Episode 33: Boss Locks with Guest Walter Gainer II

September 8, 2021
Episode 33: Boss Locks with Guest Walter Gainer II
We are excited to welcome the Founder of the Boss Locks Podcast, Walter Gainer II, to the show this week! He explains his background and what led him to create his podcast, which highlights Black leaders with natural hair. He discusses the history, beauty, and power of hairstyles, while giving tips for the younger generation and other entrepreneurs wanting to wear their natural hair. Walt also gives us insight on his “I See Color” podcast episode that talks about how to have the race conversation with white people, especially during these times. He ends up by explaining the future of his podcast and the stories of new growth he hopes to share.
More about Walter Gainer II:
Walt is a young creative whose curiosity and insecurities led him to start a podcast, Boss Locks, that is leading the world to new growth. On his platform, you'll see him speaking to Black leaders with natural hair, from all walks of life, who are redefining professionalism. "My goal is to create a more equitable world where Black people can exist safely and grow their hair naturally without repercussion" -Walter Gainer II
Episode 32: Policing WITH the Community with Guest Tony Godwin, Retired Chief of Cary PD

Episode 32: Policing WITH the Community with Guest Tony Godwin, Retired Chief of Cary PD

August 25, 2021
Episode 32: Policing WITH the Community with Guest Tony Godwin, Retired Chief of Cary PD
We are excited to welcome Retired Cary PD Chief Tony Godwin to the show this week! He joins us to share his perspective as a white male police officer during this moment, specifically explaining his experience connecting with the Black community by meeting them where they are. He tells us how that came to be - from meeting Tru Pettigrew right after the Michael Brown incident to developing a relationship with him and starting a community conversation series on the 1st Saturday of each month at a barbershop in Cary. The Cary PD continues to hold these "Barbershop Rap Sessions" to this day, even through COVID (virtually). Tony also talks about the importance of communication and helping the community understand how best to use their police department and hold them accountable. He says it’s about engaging in policing WITH the community - by meeting them where they are.
Tru Access: More Info
Barbershop Rap Sessions: Get Connected
More about Tony Godwin:
Tony retired in January 2019 as the Chief of Police for the Town of Cary. His 30-year career with the Cary Police Department began as an intern when he was a Senior at NC State University. Following graduation, he began as a patrol officer and went on to work nearly every assignment in the department over the next 3 decades.
He also served as the Interim Chief of Police for the Town of Apex in 2020-2021. During his time there he had the opportunity to lead the department through a transition in senior leadership and continue his efforts to bring the community and the police department closer together.
Tony served as the Region VII Director for the NC Assoc. of Chiefs of Police, The Chairman of the Carolinas Region for the Atlanta/Carolinas High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area through the US Drug Enforcement Agency and finally, he was appointed by the Governor of North Carolina as a state commissioner for the Industrial Hemp Commission. During the last 5 years of his career Tony found his passion for building bridges between law enforcement and communities of color, which is the work he continues today through his partnership with Tru Pettigrew at Tru Access. Tony has been married for 22 years to a former law enforcement officer, Shannon, and they have two sons, Wyatt (19) and Colton (10).
Episode 31: “To Be Young, Gifted, & Black”

Episode 31: “To Be Young, Gifted, & Black”

August 11, 2021
Episode 31: “To Be Young, Gifted, & Black”
BJ and Drew go solo on the podcast this week! They focus on the Hulu documentary about the Summer of Soul music festival in Harlem in 1969. BJ points out that people at the festival were having the same conversations about police brutality, homelessness, and drugs that we’re having today. There were other similarities between then and now, including the moon landing during the Summer of Soul concert and Bezos going up to space recently (around the same time that the documentary was released on Hulu), both done despite the issues still happening at home. And, this documentary is another example of how the history of Black culture has been hidden – the recordings of this documentary were lost in someone’s basement for 50 years before they were uncovered. BJ’s favorite quote from the documentary was from Stevie Wonder – “I never want my fear to put my dreams to sleep” – and she explains how that relates to the work we’re doing with the community through You & Five-O. Drew also brings up thought-provoking questions about segregation and recommends another great movie on Netflix, called "The Best of Enemies".
Episode 30: How to Call 911 with Guest Jeryl Anderson

Episode 30: How to Call 911 with Guest Jeryl Anderson

July 28, 2021
Episode 30: How to Call 911 with Guest Jeryl Anderson

We are honored to be joined by Telecommunicator Jeryl Anderson this week to talk about 911 calls, especially as they relate to Black and marginalized communities. She tells us about her experience as a telecommunicator, explaining how they are the true first responders - they are #3 on the list of most stressful jobs. She touches on how to handle the stress of the job, especially with no closure after each call, and the coping mechanisms she utilizes. She discusses the advancements in technology we’ll be seeing for 911 calls - right now you can text 911, soon you’ll be able to send photos and videos - and how to train telecommunicators psychologically to handle that. Jeryl gives a detailed explanation of how to effectively use the 911 system to get help in an emergency - what happens when you call 911 and how to answer their questions to get the best response. She places an emphasis on using non-emergency numbers for things that aren’t “true” emergencies so you don't clog up the lines. Our hosts join in to discuss the situation of a recent 911 Call in Windsor, VA and the adjustments made by the telecommunicator once they heard the word “gun.” Jeryl finishes up by leaving us with an important bit of information: Stay on the line if you don’t mean to call 911 or decide you don’t need it so you can tell them they don’t need to send a police officer. Otherwise, they’ll send one automatically.

911 Call in Windsor, VA
More about Jeryl Anderson:
Jeryl Anderson has been a Telecommunicator for over thirty years. She is currently employed at Orange County Emergency Services, as the Recruitment and Outreach Coordinator. Jeryl has been a certified instructor since the 1990’s and has vast experience in class room presentation to include, but not limited to, curriculum and testing development and on-line course development and implementation. Jeryl is proud to have been at the beginning of the Telecommunicator Certification Course for North Carolina Telecommunicators, during her time as a Criminal Justice Instructor Coordinator with the NC Justice Academy, where for eleven years, she taught, edited, and implemented the curriculum across the state of North Carolina.

Jeryl is an experienced online instructor, conference speaker and event coordinator. Jeryl is an RPL (Registered Professional Leader) and CPE (Certified Public Safety Executive) through National APCO (Association of Public Safety Communications Official’s) and an ENP (Emergency Number Professional) through National NENA (National Emergency Number Association). Jeryl serves the APCO Institute by being one of their Adjunct Instructors. She is currently serving on the NC Chapter of APCO’s Board as their Educational Advisory Member.

On a personal note, Jeryl enjoys spending time with her spouse, Kevin Anderson. She is an active member of the Durham Alumnae Chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. Jeryl is also a dedicated Girl Scout volunteer and serves as a Troop leader and as the Durham Central Service Unit 215, Area 11 Manager for NC Coastal Pines Girl Scout Council.

Episode 29:  “They aren’t problem children; they’re children with problems.” with guest Principal John Williams

Episode 29: “They aren’t problem children; they’re children with problems.” with guest Principal John Williams

July 14, 2021
Episode 29: "They aren't problem children; they're children with problems." with Guest Principal John Williams

This week, we are joined by Principal John Williams from Phoenix Academy, an alternative high school in Chapel Hill, where he focuses on the idea that “I don’t have problem children. I have children with problems.” He joins our hosts to discuss how he changed the model of alternative schools, by adjusting the culture of the school, addressing systemic issues facing the kids there, and acting as a trauma-informed school. The core of what he does is based on the philosophy: If you want to be successful in life, spend your life trying to make sure others are successful. He gives details about how the kids come to their school - by referral or choice - and how they work to help them through high school, to be successful in life. Mr. Williams explains that in order to close the achievement gap, you have to be purposeful and it can't be done in isolation - schools can't fix it by themselves, it's a community issue. He says, “A school's success should be measured by the help given to the weakest child in the building.” And he’s created a Resource Allocation Collaboration for Equity Task Force to address these issues.

More about John Williams:
John A. Williams is the principal of Phoenix Academy High School in Chapel Hill, NC. He is a retired United States Air Force veteran and a Licensed Mental Health Counselor.  Mr. Williams entered into the field of education in 2003. He has been a school administrator for 17 years and a principal for the past 10 years. Prior to entering into the field of education Mr. Williams was Domestic Violence Prevention Coordinator for the 14th Judicial Circuit in Panama City, Florida. He left that position and started his private counseling practice. Mr. Williams has worked with both adults and students involved in the criminal justice system. Currently, as the principal of the only alternative school in Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools system he works with some of the most fragile students in the community. His area of focus is ensuring the students he serves receive the skills necessary to navigate through life in a manner that ensures they are successful. Mr. Williams was voted the winner of the 2017-2018 Chapel Hill-Carrboro City Schools Principal of the Year. In 2019 he was recognized and received the Duke Energy Citizenship Service Award and was voted Chapel Hill’s Hometown Hero in 2019 as well. Mr. Williams is married to Nederal and they have three absolutely gorgeous daughters.
Phoenix Academy High School: Phoenix Academy High School (
Episode 28: One Year Anniversary

Episode 28: One Year Anniversary

June 15, 2021
Episode 28: One Year Anniversary
We made it to one year with our podcast! We can’t thank you all enough for joining us on this journey and listening to the show. In this week’s episode, our hosts talk about the last year - how they felt it went, what inspired them to join BJ on the podcast, and the guests that they’ve enjoyed. They discuss the growth they’ve seen in YFO over the course of this year and how it has allowed BJ to speak her own truth more, both as a Black female and a retired police officer. They round out the show by talking about what the future looks like for YFO - including community events, new conversations with past guests, and the Alternative to Violence Project - as well as get new ideas from Harmony and Drew. We want to hear from you as well! What do YOU need to feel engaged? What topics do you want to hear more about? What kind of guests do you want to see on the show? Let us know! Feel free to email any feedback or thoughts to
BJ’s Medium Articles:
Episode 15 Re-Release: Defund Durham Police: The Exercise with Guests Jesse Burwell, Terrence Sembly, & Winslow Forbes

Episode 15 Re-Release: Defund Durham Police: The Exercise with Guests Jesse Burwell, Terrence Sembly, & Winslow Forbes

June 2, 2021
Defund Durham Police: The Exercise with Guests Jesse Burwell, Terrence Sembly, & Winslow Forbes
Due to current local discussion about reallocation of funds from Durham PD, we've decided to re-release Episode 15 of our podcast - Defund Durham Police: The Exercise. In this episode, our hosts and guests discuss what defunding the police would look like at a local level, by looking at the 2020-2021 approved budget for the Durham Police Department. This discussion will give listeners some insight as to what defunding could look like for DPD, and offer insight on how budget reductions could have an impact on the services the police provide.
In the episode, Jesse takes time to break down the budget to explain what each section means and what can or can’t be cut if you had to reduce the budget by ten percent. Terrence, Winslow and BJ then discuss what they would consider cutting from the budget if they were still executives in the police department. They explain how defunding a police department would actually cut the programs and services that communities ask for and need to improve policing. The final decision will, of course, be made by the leaders of the community. But, instead of defunding the police, we suggest increasing funding for other programs that address social issues like homelessness, mental health, and substance abuse.
More info about defunding the police & the Durham Police Department:
DPD 2020-2021 Approved Budget: The approved budget for Durham PD that our hosts & guests look at and discuss.
Defund DPD: The Exercise for You & Five-O: Jesse Burwell’s explanation of the budget and the cuts they discussed making.
Durham Beyond Policing: Proposed Task Force for Durham PD to address community safety and wellness concerns that go beyond policing.
Boston Police Reform Task Force: The Task Force is composed of community leaders, advocates, members from the legal profession, and members of law enforcement.
More info about Jesse Burwell:
Jesse Burwell, originally from Morrisville, NC, has lived in Durham for the past 47 years. He graduated from N.C. Central University in 1975 before joining the American Tobacco Company as an accountant and internal auditor. Burwell also worked for the City of Durham’s City/County Planning Department as an accountant in charge of general fund and grants, before joining the Durham Police Department as Accountant III in 1990. He spent 27 years with the DPD before retiring in 2017 as a Non-Sworn Assistant Chief. While with Durham PD, Burwell was responsible for overseeing budget development and budget administration, as well as overseeing the Community Services Division, Training, recruiting, Personnel Services, Planning & Research, Technology, Crime Analysis, Police Records Division, and the Supply Room.
More info about Terrence Sembly:
Terrence Sembly was promoted to the rank of Deputy Chief of the Durham Police Department on January 14 and was assigned to the Investigative Services Bureau. Deputy Chief Sembly, who joined the Police Department in 1997 after working for the Duke University and Carrboro police departments, was serving as the Assistant Chief of Patrol Services when he was promoted. Deputy Chief Sembly has served as commander of the Organized Crime Division and District 4. He also served in the Patrol Bureau, GREAT (Gang Resistance Education and Training) Unit, the Recruiting Unit and the Professional Standards Division. Deputy Chief Sembly earned his B.A degree from N.C. Central University and earned a Master’s Degree in Leadership and Organizational Change from Pfeiffer University. Deputy Chief Sembly is a graduate of Session 66 of the Senior Management Institute for Police in Boston and the Administrative Officers Management Program from North Carolina State University.
More info about Winslow Forbes:
Minister Winslow Forbes resides in Durham NC, with his wife and family. He is a man that stands strong in his faith and truly loves God. Winslow is a 1987 graduate of N. C. Central University, with a BA Degree in Public Administration. He graduated from PERF (Police Executive Research Forum), an Executive Management Leadership Course, in 2010. He retired in 2016 from the Durham Police Department, as an Assistant Chief of Police with thirty years of service. Winslow received his Bachelor of Ministry and Master of Divinity from International Bible College; and is currently attending International Bible College to receive his Doctorate of Ministry. He currently serves as the Director of Youth & Young Adults of New Home & Durham Missionary Baptist Association. Winslow founded the D.L. Forbes Youth Foundation in 2002 and currently serves as the Chairman. D.L. Forbes Youth Foundation is a non-profit organization focused on mentoring youth in leadership skills and academic enrichment.        Winslow has a passion for helping young people and is a positive advocate for young people who face economic and academic challenges. He continues to speak throughout the communities teaching youth how to be productive citizens. Winslow firmly believes we (the community) can turn youth crime around by working together.
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