Team Five-O - Recap of 2020

Team Five-O - Recap of 2020

December 2, 2020
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Episode 17: Team Five-O - Recap of 2020
Our last podcast of the year! Our You & Five-O team gets together to recap this past year of recording podcasts, and discuss what they’ve learned and enjoyed from this experience. After our hosts talk together, they bring in the other two members of You & Five-O’s team that work behind the scenes: Chris Downey, our podcast producer, and Abby Bradetich, our digital marketing consultant, to talk about their experience working with BJ and the other hosts. We hope you enjoy our last podcast of the year and wish everyone a safe and happy holiday season!
Real Talk:  “Y’all Don’t Wanna Hear This!” with Guests Quillie Coath & Martina “Coach D” Dunford

Real Talk: “Y’all Don’t Wanna Hear This!” with Guests Quillie Coath & Martina “Coach D” Dunford

November 18, 2020
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Episode 16: Real Talk - “Y’all Don’t Wanna Hear This!” with Guests Quillie Coath & Martina "Coach D" Dunford
We’re excited to welcome our last guests of the year to the show this week! Martina “Coach D” Dunford and Quillie Coath join us to discuss trauma informed community building and their work with disenfranchised kids and families in our community. After meeting our guests and learning about their backgrounds, they discuss ideas for how things could change to help law enforcement and communities work together; not to defund the police, but to increase social services and improve their relationship within the community. Our guests also touch on their new project, Parents Matter, that addresses the issues of generational trauma that affect the kids in our community, and how to break that cycle, starting with the parents. Among other issues, they touch on the importance of addressing mental health in kids and parents, as well as ideas for how to reform the community while simultaneously reforming law enforcement.
PROUD Program: Quillie’s nonprofit organization
Parents Matter: more information coming soon for the launch in 2021!
We also added an extra section to the end of this episode so BJ could discuss a recent incident involving police use of force on a young Black male in Texas on Nov. 5th. Since You & Five-O emphasizes Comply Then Complain and the importance of getting home safely, BJ felt the need to address the actions of this teen’s instinct to run, as well as the police’s handling of the situation. She shares her opinion about what happened, as well as suggestions for how others can avoid situations like that and increase the chance of everyone getting home.

More info about Quillie Coath:
Quillie Coath, Jr. was born in Kansas, the fourth of four boys to a Military Father. He grew up and got his education in South Carolina before attending college at St. Augustine’s University in Raleigh, NC. While there, he received a BS in Criminal Justice in 1991, and was a member of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity. He started working in the field while at St. Augustine with the Partners Mentor Program in Raleigh as a volunteer mentor. After graduation, he was employed at Haven House Inc. He also worked at Wrenn House (a runaway crisis shelter for youth) as a counselor. While at Wrenn House he was trained in Reality Therapy by Mrs. E. Perry Goode and Dr. William Glasser. During his professional career Quillie has worked for Family Services of Raleigh as a Domestic Violence Counselor and court screener, The Durham Service Corp, a work-education program for young people 18-21 as an Intake Counselor, and ReEntry Juvenile Restitutions program as the Life Skills Coordinator. In January 1996, he returned to Durham to help start The Durham PROUD Program where he is currently The ED to this very day.

More info about Martina “Coach D” Dunford:
Coach D grew up in Virginia Beach, before moving to Durham in 1991 to attend college at Norfolk State University, where she received a degree in Health and Physical Education. Although she intended to return to Virginia Beach after graduation, she stuck around Durham and has been here for 24 years. Coach D holds two Masters from North Carolina Central University - in Family and Childhood Development, and in Adaptive Physical Education for Children with Mental and Physical Disabilities. In 1996, she created New Horizons Character and Leadership Academy, serving long term and 365 day suspended students who were not allowed on any of Durham Public Schools property. She served the gang affiliated students, suspended students, court involved students, and more in a one room building called the REC in Few Gardens Housing Development. From the time the doors opened until it's recent closure for lack of support, the number of young people assigned and/or requested to enroll increased 100% every year. In addition to creating New Horizons, some of Coach D’s accolades include Spectacular Woman of the Year, Women Leading from the Heart,  Campaign for Change Lifetime Mentor Award, Faith Assembly Christian Church Woman of the Year, and the Ebonette Club, Inc. Making a Difference Award. For 24 years, she has served some of Durham’s most disenfranchised youth and families. She has been able to move many from a life of despair to a life of hope, and opportunity, with the philosophy "We can't fix the outer; until we fix the broken inner".

Defund Durham Police: The Exercise with Guests Jesse Burwell, Terrence Sembly, & Winslow Forbes

Defund Durham Police: The Exercise with Guests Jesse Burwell, Terrence Sembly, & Winslow Forbes

November 11, 2020
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Episode 15: Defund Durham Police: The Exercise with Guests Jesse Burwell, Terrence Sembly, & Winslow Forbes

We are excited to welcome three guests to the show today – Jesse Burwell, Terrence Sembly, and Winslow Forbes, all retired executives from the Durham Police Department. After meeting each guest and learning their backgrounds, our hosts work with them to discuss what defunding the police would look like at a local level, by looking at the 2020-2021 approved budget for the Durham Police Department. Jesse takes time to break down the budget to explain what each section means and what can or can’t be cut if you had to reduce the budget by ten percent. Terrence, Winslow and BJ then discuss what they would consider cutting from the budget if they were still executives in the police department. They explain how defunding a police department would actually cut the programs and services that communities ask for and need to improve policing. Instead of defunding the police, we suggest increasing funding for other programs that address social issues like homelessness, mental health, and substance abuse.


More info about defunding the police & the Durham Police Department:

DPD 2020-2021 Approved Budget: The approved budget for Durham PD that our hosts & guests look at and discuss.
Defund DPD: The Exercise for You & Five-O: Jesse Burwell’s explanation of the budget and the cuts they discuss making in this episode.
Durham Beyond Policing: Proposed Task Force for Durham PD to address community safety and wellness concerns that go beyond policing.
Boston Police Reform Task Force: The Task Force is composed of community leaders, advocates, members from the legal profession, and members of law enforcement.


More info about Jesse Burwell:
Jesse Burwell, originally from Morrisville, NC, has lived in Durham for the past 47 years. He graduated from N.C. Central University in 1975 before joining the American Tobacco Company as an accountant and internal auditor. Burwell also worked for the City of Durham’s City/County Planning Department as an accountant in charge of general fund and grants, before joining the Durham Police Department as Accountant III in 1990. He spent 27 years with the DPD before retiring in 2017 as a Non-Sworn Assistant Chief. While with Durham PD, Burwell was responsible for overseeing budget development and budget administration, as well as overseeing the Community Services Division, Training, recruiting, Personnel Services, Planning & Research, Technology, Crime Analysis, Police Records Division, and the Supply Room.

More info about Terrence Sembly:
Terrence Sembly was promoted to the rank of Deputy Chief of the Durham Police Department on January 14 and was assigned to the Investigative Services Bureau. Deputy Chief Sembly, who joined the Police Department in 1997 after working for the Duke University and Carrboro police departments, was serving as the Assistant Chief of Patrol Services when he was promoted. Deputy Chief Sembly has served as commander of the Organized Crime Division and District 4. He also served in the Patrol Bureau, GREAT (Gang Resistance Education and Training) Unit, the Recruiting Unit and the Professional Standards Division. Deputy Chief Sembly earned his B.A degree from N.C. Central University and earned a Master’s Degree in Leadership and Organizational Change from Pfeiffer University. Deputy Chief Sembly is a graduate of Session 66 of the Senior Management Institute for Police in Boston and the Administrative Officers Management Program from North Carolina State University.

More info about Winslow Forbes:
Minister Winslow Forbes resides in Durham NC, with his wife and family. He is a man that stands strong in his faith and truly loves God. Winslow is a 1987 graduate of N. C. Central University, with a BA Degree in Public Administration. He graduated from PERF (Police Executive Research Forum), an Executive Management Leadership Course, in 2010. He retired in 2016 from the Durham Police Department, as an Assistant Chief of Police with thirty years of service. Winslow received his Bachelor of Ministry and Master of Divinity from International Bible College; and is currently attending International Bible College to receive his Doctorate of Ministry. He currently serves as the Director of Youth & Young Adults of New Home & Durham Missionary Baptist Association.
Winslow founded the D.L. Forbes Youth Foundation in 2002 and currently serves as the Chairman. D.L. Forbes Youth Foundation is a non-profit organization focused on mentoring youth in leadership skills and academic enrichment. Winslow has a passion for helping young people and is a positive advocate for young people who face economic and academic challenges. He continues to speak throughout the communities teaching youth how to be productive citizens. Winslow firmly believes we (the community) can turn youth crime around by working together.

Police Uses of Force with Guest Seth Stoughton

Police Uses of Force with Guest Seth Stoughton

October 28, 2020
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Episode 14: Police Uses of Force with Guest Seth Stoughton
We are thrilled to have Seth Stoughton join us on the show this week! As an author, Assoc. Professor at the University of South Carolina of Law, and former police officer, Seth gives us a little background on his life and experience before jumping in to discuss his book Evaluating Police Uses of Force and the concepts in it. Our hosts ask questions and talk with Seth about changes that could be made to improve policing and the systems that impact it. They discuss the way policing and use of force is perceived by communities, the laws that govern them, and how that affects the decisions made in this country. Seth also offers options for what people can do to make changes in their own community regarding these issues - vote, attend meetings, write letters to people in charge, and connect with your neighbors.
Seth & his co-authors’ Book: Evaluating Police Uses of Force
Articles from The Atlantic: Seth is a regular contributor to The Atlantic, with a multitude of interesting articles to read (check them out here).
The two that most relate to what we discussed on the show are:
More info about Seth Stoughton:
Seth Stoughton is an Associate Professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law, where he is affiliated with the Rule of Law Collaborative. He studies policing and how it is regulated, and his scholarship has appeared in the Minnesota Law Review, the North Carolina Law Review, the Virginia Law Review, and other top journals. He has written multiple book chapters and is the principal co-author of Evaluating Police Uses of Force (forthcoming from NYU Press in spring 2020).  He is a frequent lecturer on policing issues, regularly appears on national and international media, and has written for The New York Times, The Atlantic, TIME, and other news publications. He teaches Police Law & Policy, Criminal Procedure, Criminal Law, and the Regulation of Vice.
Seth served as an officer with the Tallahassee Police Department for five years. In that time, he trained other officers, helped write policies to govern the use of new technologies, earned multiple instructor and operator certifications, and taught personal safety and self-defense courses in the community. In 2004, he received a Formal Achievement Award for his role as a founding member of the Special Response Team. After leaving the police department, Seth spent three years as an Investigator in the Florida Department of Education's Office of Inspector General, where he handled a variety of criminal and administrative investigations. In 2008, he received a statewide award for his work combating private school tuition voucher fraud.
Seth earned his B.A. in English from Florida State University. He attended the University of Virginia School of Law, where he was an Articles Editor on the Virginia Law Review, an Elsie Hughes Cabell Scholar, and the recipient of the Thomas Marshall Miller Prize. After law school, he clerked for the Honorable Kenneth F. Ripple of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. Prior to joining the faculty at South Carolina, Seth was a Climenko Fellow and Lecturer on Law at Harvard Law School, where he taught legal writing and a Regulation of Vice seminar.
“Slavery By Another Name” with Guest Dr. Charles Johnson

“Slavery By Another Name” with Guest Dr. Charles Johnson

October 14, 2020
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Episode 13: “Slavery By Another Name” with Guest Dr. Charles Johnson
We are grateful to welcome Dr. Charles Johnson to our show this week! He is the Director of the Public History Program at NCCU and provided our hosts with the Slave Patrols information used in our very first podcast episode. We are excited to have him join us to discuss convict leasing and the peonage system. Dr. Johnson tells us its history from slavery through the Civil War and 80 years after the war ended, specifically focusing on the Deep South. He explains the development of the peonage system, the conditions for people within it, and how it’s considered “slavery by another name.” Our hosts join in to discuss how this other form of slavery has affected the view of African Americans, how they are treated within the criminal system, and how it has impacted the psychology of the culture in this country.
Black Psychologists & Psychiatrists that Dr. Johnson mentioned reading more about: Dr. Frances Cress Welsing, Na’im Akbar, Dr. Thomas Parham, Dr. Amos Wilson, Reginald Jones, Dr. Jonathan Livingston
More info about Charles Denton “Chaz” Johnson:
Charles Denton Johnson is an oral historian, digital humanist, and raconteur who studies 20th Century African American and Global African Diaspora History. He is an Assistant Professor of History and the Director of the Public History Program at North Carolina Central University (NCCU). Dr. Johnson earned his Bachelor of Arts from Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia, his Master of Arts from North Carolina Central University, and his Ph.D. from Howard University in Washington, D.C. He has co-authored a book on African Diaspora History (2016) and written several book chapters on the Black experience. He has given lectures, presentations and held fireside chats on three continents.
Dr. Johnson’s research interests include Blacks in Durham, Blacks in Chatham County, North Carolina, and a biography of his father Charles Johnson, MD, a former fighter pilot and pioneer physician at Duke Hospital. In collaboration with colleagues and community historians, he is developing exhibits on Blacks in Agriculture in North Carolina for the North Carolina Museum of History and the football rivalry between North Carolina Central University and North Carolina A&T State University for the Museum of Durham History.
He holds leadership positions and membership in several organizations. He is on the Board of Directors of the Museum of Durham History and sits on its Exhibits Committee. He is a member of the Friends of Geer Cemetery, and he is the official Community Historian for the Emorywood community. He is the current Vice Chair of the Faculty Senate (2020-2022). He has previously held faculty positions at Lane College in Jackson, TN and Howard University in Washington, DC. At Howard, he directed the South African Research and Archival Project (SARAP), a digital humanities archival and research project on African American and South African relations. He is a Prince Hall Mason and a member of the Durham (NC) Alumni Chapter of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.
Dr. Johnson was born and raised in Durham and educated in the Durham Public School System. He is married to the former LaShonda Davis of Hodge, LA, and they have a son Xavier, who is in high school in Durham. His parents are Charles Johnson, MD and the Hon. Carolyn Denton Johnson, a former District Court Judge in Durham, now deceased. His sister Carla Johnson is retired and lives in Virginia. She has a daughter Christina Landrum who is in graduate school in Texas.
Durham C.A.N. with guests Tinu Diver & Tim Conder

Durham C.A.N. with guests Tinu Diver & Tim Conder

September 30, 2020
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Episode 12: Durham C.A.N. with Guests Tinu Diver & Tim Conder
We are excited to have two guests on the show today from Durham Congregations, Associations and Neighborhoods (locally known as Durham CAN). Tinu Diver and Reverend Tim Conder join our hosts to discuss the work they do with CAN to help our local community with housing, criminal justice, and broad-based organizing. They talk about the importance of relational meetings to build connections, trust and relational power; as well as ideas for how to best get our communities to organize around getting the policing culture they want in their community.
Durham CAN’s website:

We also added an extra section to the end of this episode so our hosts BJ and Drew can share their thoughts on the Breonna Taylor verdict that was announced last week. They discuss their hopes for police reform and accountability that will hopefully come as a way to honor Breonna’s life.
Article from The Marshall Project about the legal reasoning behind the Breonna Taylor Verdict:

More info about Atinuke "Tinu" Akintola Diver:
Grounded in the spirit of Charles Hamilton Houston’s adage that a lawyer is either a social engineer or a social parasite, Atinuke “Tinu” Akintola Diver grounds her creative, legal, and community practices in ways that seek to build and regenerate, rather than to purely extract and exploit. A first-generation American and the daughter of Nigerian immigrants, Tinu was born in Boston, Massachusetts, raised in Prince George’s County, Maryland and currently resides with her family in Raleigh, North Carolina. She is a graduate of the Creative Writing Program at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, earned her Juris Doctor from the University of North Carolina School of Law, a Certificate in Nonprofit Leadership from the University of North Carolina School of Social Work, and a Certificate in Documentary Arts from the Center for Documentary Studies at Duke University. Tinu serves as Lead Organizer and Executive Director of Durham CAN and a documentarian working on a number of film and audio projects.

More info about Tim Conder:
Tim Conder is the founding pastor of Emmaus Way, an activist and progressive faith community in Durham, NC. He has been organizing with Durham CAN for over 15 years and currently serves as the co-Chair of the Strategy Team. Tim has a PhD in Cultural Studies from the University of North Carolina.  His research includes an ethnography of the Moral Movement in NC and he writes on the key differences between social movement/protest based organizing and the broad based organizing, social justice pedagogies, and critical whiteness.  Tim was a co-founder of EmergentVillage and is currently a co-founder of the Black Mountain School Theology & Community.  He is the author of three trade books including Organizing Church and the co-editor/author of an academic book, Mentoring Students of Color: Naming the Politics of Race, Social Class, Gender, and Power.

Breonna Taylor

Breonna Taylor

September 17, 2020
Episode 11: The Rest of the Story - Breonna Taylor
In our latest episode, we start a new series of discussions called “The Rest of the Story,” based on what the media doesn’t tell you about important cases in the Black Lives Matter movement, especially once they leave the news spotlight. We chose to start with Breonna Taylor since it is close to the hearts of so many and has yet to be resolved. Harmony gives us more information about Breonna’s life and history before going through the timeline of the night that she died. Our hosts discuss these events and the importance of accountability in policing. We want to encourage our listeners to work with their local police departments and community stakeholders to create a police department that supports and reflects the culture and philosophy of their local communities. Please reach out to You & Five-O if you have any questions. We are here to help:
News & Informational Resources about Breonna Taylor:
Mental Health with guest Brionna Harpe

Mental Health with guest Brionna Harpe

September 2, 2020
Episode 10: Mental Health with guest Brionna Harpe

We are excited to have a mental health clinician as our guest on the show today - Brionna Harpe. She works with underinsured and uninsured populations in Greensboro, NC, with a focus on those dealing with substance abuse. Our hosts talk with her about mental health and addressing trauma in the Black community during this time. Bri promotes mindfulness and reducing the stigma around seeking help for mental health. She explains how normalizing the conversation about trauma can help people, especially in the Black community, seek counseling more often.

More About Bri:
Brionna Harpe is a Licensed Clinical Social Work Associate who works at a community mental health agency providing individual and group therapy. Brionna graduated with her Master of Social Work Degree from the Joint Master of Social Work Program (JMSW) in May of 2019 and currently resides in Greensboro, NC.
Contact Info:
Suicide Helpline: 1-800-273-8255
Comply Then Complain

Comply Then Complain

August 20, 2020
Episode 9: Comply Then Complain
You & Five-O’s mantra is “comply then complain” - our hosts explain what that means and how YFO works to share this through its presentations. BJ explains her work with young Black and brown males, and how she struggles with their desire to still run/not comply with police, even after learning about the potential outcome. Our hosts discuss this from their generational stand points and personal experiences. They also talk about the importance of filing complaints in the police department, and explain how that works within the agency. We at You & Five-O are here to help! If you have questions about filing a complaint, or don’t know if you should file one, we are happy to answer any questions and help you find where to start. Contact us at
How Do WE “Wear the Mask”? Part 2 - Interactions with Police

How Do WE “Wear the Mask”? Part 2 - Interactions with Police

August 6, 2020
Episode 8: How Do WE “Wear the Mask”? Part 2 - Interactions with Police

In this episode, our hosts return to the discussion from episode 6 about How Do WE “Wear the Mask” and how it relates to law enforcement, based on Maya Angelou’s poem “We Wear the Mask”. They take time to discuss their personal experiences with law enforcement, including BJ’s experience with non-compliance from civilians as a police officer. They also talk about a recent video released of an incident with a Virginia State Trooper from 2019, and the two sides of that situation. Toward the end, our hosts again discuss mental health and the importance of seeking help when needed, especially during these unprecedented times, and we’ve included those links again below.

Listen to Maya Angelou’s poem “We Wear the Mask”:

Below are links to the Mental Health resources we included in Episode 4 and mentioned again here:

VA State Trooper stops Black driver:
More info on VA State Trooper Incident:

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